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"Civilization" Appears To Be TURKISH
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186282@ud0s4.net
2024-08-07 03:52:55 UTC
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Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
Turkey - 10-12k BC

Brick/stone buildings at Dja'de el-Mughara - modern Turkish/Syrian
border, with decorative art - 8000bc

Jericho - west bank - 7000bc - carved stone fineware and
statuettes.

Halaf culture - northern mesopotamia - beginnings of
proper pottery + decorative/symbolic art - 6100bc

. . .

It APPEARS that post ice-age civ, as we perceive it,
started in what's now southern Turkey, along river courses
and not too far from the Med. From there is spread down
into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Note that the climate in the region, now semi-arid sans
irrigation, was considerably more moderate 12,000 years
ago. The "fertile crescent" took shape and supported a
wide variety of civs. However the ROOT civ still seems
to be a Turkish invention. So far there is no evidence
of civ/organization on a large scale before Gobekli Tepe.

So far. However the Indus valley may yet yield some
surprises, although the climate has been less conducive
to preserving artifacts.

During the last ice age, the ice did NOT reach nearly as
far south as Turkey, indeed only about as far south as
modern southern Poland. However the climatic fallout
from all that ice surely had major effects for 1000
miles to the south - all of southern Europe and, also,
Turkey. Human creativity seems best in "challenging",
but not "crushing", environments. Maybe that's why
Turkey was The Place ?
Steve Hayes
2024-08-07 04:14:09 UTC
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Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
Turkey - 10-12k BC
Back then Turkey wasn't Turkish.
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186282@ud0s4.net
2024-08-07 05:12:45 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
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Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
Turkey - 10-12k BC
Back then Turkey wasn't Turkish.
Have to go by more modern names, lest there
be no points of reference. Clearly "Turkish"
culture as we know it now did not exist in
that time and place - though much of the same
gene pool and deep cultural roots may.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2022-08-25/ty-article/genetic-study-detects-unexpected-origin-of-worlds-first-farmers/00000182-cf26-d35f-a9ea-cf26bf8b0000

We need more usable DNA from right near Gobekli Tepe.

In any case, the overt origins of 'civilization'
seem to be from THERE and then spread south.

But, WHY there ? What was so special about that
particular slice of the world ? Simply enough
population density, perhaps for the first time
ever, so "tribal" spilled-over into 'cooperative
efforts' ?
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-08-07 05:26:30 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe with symbolic art- southwestern
Turkey - 10-12k BC
Back then Turkey wasn't Turkish.
Have to go by more modern names, lest there
be no points of reference. Clearly "Turkish"
culture as we know it now did not exist in
that time and place - though much of the same
gene pool and deep cultural roots may.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2022-08-25/ty-article/genetic-study-detects-unexpected-origin-of-worlds-first-farmers/00000182-cf26-d35f-a9ea-cf26bf8b0000

We need more usable DNA from right near Gobekli Tepe.

In any case, the overt origins of 'civilization'
seem to be from THERE and then spread south.

But, WHY there ? What was so special about that
particular slice of the world ? Simply enough
population density, perhaps for the first time
ever, so "tribal" spilled-over into 'cooperative
efforts' ?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-08-07 05:40:43 UTC
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Megalithic sites at Gobekli Tepe
You mean “Göbekli Tepe”?

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